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mitt romney, and i'm not comparing it to 1980 and ronald reagan being an appealing alternative, but jimmy carter, not a bad alternative. i think that could eat into the president's support and more than just the undecided voter support. what do you think? >> not necessarily. because what voters too often and we see this and a lot of data. they complain and gripe, especially well as down in the polls. when it comes down to it on election day they usually hold their nose, suck it up and vote for their party leader. that is why we have undecided voters. usually if you're a member of your party by election day you aren't going to vote for the guy neil: i know you do this in far more exhaustive detail that idea, but i am old and remember 1980 and to remember that the undecided voters at the time, jumped either ronald reagan or jimmy carter. it turns out a lot more did. i'm not saying that there is some truth to what you're saying. those who are leery of that party or the candidate of that party would jump, could jump if they are disenchanted enough with their own who choice or intrigued enough
mitt romney, and i'm not comparing it to 1980 and ronald reagan being an appealing alternative, but jimmy carter, not a bad alternative. i think that could eat into the president's support and more than just the undecided voter support. what do you think? >> not necessarily. because what voters too often and we see this and a lot of data. they complain and gripe, especially well as down in the polls. when it comes down to it on election day they usually hold their nose, suck it up and...
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it came from ronald reagan during his debate with jimmy carter. reagan posed a simple question. >> are you better off than you were four years ago? >> four years later president reagan was 73 facing concerns about his age, an issue compounded by his shaky first debate and then turned the weakness into a strength with this line. >> i want you to know that also i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> bill clinton was on the other side of that equation while debating another 73 year old. this one was former senator bob dole. clinton handled the issue this way. >> i don't think senator bill is too old to be president. it's the age of his ideas that i question. >> so we'll have to wait and see if there is a memorable moment tonight that can shape the final month of the race. sometimes it is a one liner. sometimes it is a facial expression. >>> white house soup of the day. that is good soup. i wish i were eating it today. coconut shrimp. you are watching "th
it came from ronald reagan during his debate with jimmy carter. reagan posed a simple question. >> are you better off than you were four years ago? >> four years later president reagan was 73 facing concerns about his age, an issue compounded by his shaky first debate and then turned the weakness into a strength with this line. >> i want you to know that also i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and...
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the incumbent was ronald reagan and got his clock cleaned by mondale. trying to win the first debates against their challengers was 0-3. the next time an incumbent president is facing a challenger is 1992. the incumbent president is george h.w. bush. his major party challenger is a young man from arkansas. there's also this other guy with the big ears and it's the other guy with the big ears who wins the first debate. >> the day after, victory for perot. clinton hold his own. trouble for the president. there's no one scorecard for determining who won and who lost last night, but a consensus does seem to be emerging. ross perot, the star of the night because no one knew what to expect. bill clinton just good enough. and president bush, he'll have to do much better. >> by morning, what had been last night's analysis had become conventional wiwisdom. in the headlines. on the "today" show. >> clinton did what he had to do and bush did not. >> and in instant polls. >> those polls show the president finishing third among people who watched the first debate. >
the incumbent was ronald reagan and got his clock cleaned by mondale. trying to win the first debates against their challengers was 0-3. the next time an incumbent president is facing a challenger is 1992. the incumbent president is george h.w. bush. his major party challenger is a young man from arkansas. there's also this other guy with the big ears and it's the other guy with the big ears who wins the first debate. >> the day after, victory for perot. clinton hold his own. trouble for...
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ronald reagan made a deal with tip o'neil. it was for tax increases and spending control. >> hurt republicans when they ran for office, didn't it? >> they got the tax increases. they didn't get spending cuts. he got the tax increases ch he didn't get the spending cuts. >> do you think it was a governing mistake. if he gets elected president, is he going to regret that? >> i think the crisis we face financially is so severe that all the discussion of finances last night, you can fergs. we don't have the money to expand the military. we don't have the money you have to overhaul sos to keep it sound. >> he wants to spend more money in the military. do you think that's a mistake? >> the money isn't there. >> david, this is where the obama campaign wants to go. it's saying, yes, we lost on style. but romney made himself -- i mean, senator, it's a complicated argument he's making on these issues. >> absolutely. and it's going to make sense after the the election. we're facing a fiscal cliff. all the consumers will come into play. an
ronald reagan made a deal with tip o'neil. it was for tax increases and spending control. >> hurt republicans when they ran for office, didn't it? >> they got the tax increases. they didn't get spending cuts. he got the tax increases ch he didn't get the spending cuts. >> do you think it was a governing mistake. if he gets elected president, is he going to regret that? >> i think the crisis we face financially is so severe that all the discussion of finances last night,...
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ronald reagan won because the country was in bad shape. he offered policies to get us out of that and they worked. you compare the recovery under obama, this year the economy's improved 1.6%. last year, 1.8%. the year before, 2.4%. that's the best he's done. after the recession, when reagan was president, the first year 4.5% economic growth. the second year, 7.5% economic growth. the idea that we can't have a growing economy is something that is something that's not being talked about enough, anywhere except for the dining room table. >> the interesting thing about the race the national equilibrium is about two-point race. and if mitt romney has a good four or five days, this race will dwindled down to a two-point race. at that point in time, that's when the environmental factors, all begin to take place in this. but the biggest change that has happened in this, mitt romney wanted this to be a referendum election. the problem is it became a referendum, not on barack obama it became a referendum on him. at some point, he has to fix that rea
ronald reagan won because the country was in bad shape. he offered policies to get us out of that and they worked. you compare the recovery under obama, this year the economy's improved 1.6%. last year, 1.8%. the year before, 2.4%. that's the best he's done. after the recession, when reagan was president, the first year 4.5% economic growth. the second year, 7.5% economic growth. the idea that we can't have a growing economy is something that is something that's not being talked about enough,...
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this happened in 1919, when jimmy carter led ronald reagan and he painted ronald reagan as a warmonger and someone who could not be trusted and when they had their debate and ronald reagan came across as confident and reasonable the bottom goal out for jimmy carter. >>neil: what is the delay effect on a debate if there is, karl in a lot can change, with the lighter colored states not being as red or blue as they can be and the what do you look for? >>guest: well, i would not use the work prohibitively. since april, the president's list of hard states that are strongly in his column, that has dropped while mitt romney's is green. this is a very close race. if you look at the 91 polls that had have been in 30 days, thing of that, 91 national polls the margin between the two men is over 2 percent. by comparison, during that same period in 2004, there were 41 polls in the bush and kerry race and public's lead was 5.2 percent and "new york times" said it was a race too close to call and the question was, can bush regain the momentum? this could be a very tight election. my sense is we will
this happened in 1919, when jimmy carter led ronald reagan and he painted ronald reagan as a warmonger and someone who could not be trusted and when they had their debate and ronald reagan came across as confident and reasonable the bottom goal out for jimmy carter. >>neil: what is the delay effect on a debate if there is, karl in a lot can change, with the lighter colored states not being as red or blue as they can be and the what do you look for? >>guest: well, i would not use the...
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successful pattern to follow, ronald reagan's. on the other hand, you had the debt limit talks in 2011 where president obama in the middle of talks never, until this day, has gotten specific. we don't know if he offered to raise the medicare retirement age. we don't know how much he said he would cut medicare and enact entitlement reform. so he did the opposite. he went into a serious negotiation not as a candidate but as the president and never got specific. it's one of the reasons we never got a big debt limit deal. so i think mitt romney actually is following the reagan pattern. the question is who when it comes to real negotiation with congress will follow through and get it done. i think mitt romney would be stronger at that. the president, if he could have done it, would have done it. >> secretary reish -- >> let me -- with due respect, with due respect to mr. fleischer, the fact is when ronald reagan was running we didn't have the kind of budget deficit we have right now. it's very -- >> that's not the point. >> you cannot
successful pattern to follow, ronald reagan's. on the other hand, you had the debt limit talks in 2011 where president obama in the middle of talks never, until this day, has gotten specific. we don't know if he offered to raise the medicare retirement age. we don't know how much he said he would cut medicare and enact entitlement reform. so he did the opposite. he went into a serious negotiation not as a candidate but as the president and never got specific. it's one of the reasons we never...
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what i do is the same way tip o'neill and ronald reagan worked together some years ago. when ronald reagan ran for office he laid out the principles that he was going to foster. he said he was going to lower tax rates. he said he was going to broaden the base. you've said the same thing. you're going to simplify the tax code, broaden the base. those are my principles, i want to bring down the tax burden on middle income families. and i'm going to work together with congress to say okay, what are the various ways we could bring down deductions, for instance. one way, for instance, would be to have a single number. make up a number. $25,000, $50,000. anybody can have deductions up to that amount. and then that number disappears for high income people. that's one way one could do it. one could follow bowles simpson as a model and take deduction by deduction and make differences that way. there are alternatives to accomplish the objective i have, which is to bring down rates broaden the base, simplify the code and create incentives for growth. and with regards to health care
what i do is the same way tip o'neill and ronald reagan worked together some years ago. when ronald reagan ran for office he laid out the principles that he was going to foster. he said he was going to lower tax rates. he said he was going to broaden the base. you've said the same thing. you're going to simplify the tax code, broaden the base. those are my principles, i want to bring down the tax burden on middle income families. and i'm going to work together with congress to say okay, what...
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reagan, and george w. bush contributed to. neil: thank you, sir, pat, always a pleasure. >> always. thank you very much, neil. neil: all right, well i have a filing this might come up as a debate next week it could be a game changer that maybe media is wrong page. we are out in denver for the opening salvo, what will be for debate that kicks in denver could we're there 8:00 p.m. eastern time through midnight, unlike a lot of other business networks that say, yeah it is a big election, be there or be square, we're there. you know, until we're not. don't be late. >> meanwhile, the guy who said that president obama push to make taxes high, might have hit a new low, did the president say rich guys who point lovs who dor taxes don't love their country? >> and why the guys in charge are charging us right off the cliff. neil: president coming out swinging, hitting his favorite target, rich fies guys, with a patriotic duty to pay more. so jay, you hear this, and are you offended or what? >> i think it's shameful o
reagan, and george w. bush contributed to. neil: thank you, sir, pat, always a pleasure. >> always. thank you very much, neil. neil: all right, well i have a filing this might come up as a debate next week it could be a game changer that maybe media is wrong page. we are out in denver for the opening salvo, what will be for debate that kicks in denver could we're there 8:00 p.m. eastern time through midnight, unlike a lot of other business networks that say, yeah it is a big election, be...
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. >> governor, it took three years for the best negotiator in the business, ronald reagan, to achieve tax reform back in 1986. three years. >> only took us seven months under bush one. we put together a package because the president led that. the president met with foley, the president met with mitchell, he went down to congress to meet with them. he met with them in the white house. i was involve in negotiations with them and saw a president show leadership to get a bipartisan agreement. it didn't take him three years. it took him seven months. >> and the bush tax cuts are going to be continued by a president romney and then he will first begin negotiating with a new congress to try to come up with the money to pay for them? the bush tax cuts were continued by barack obama in 2010. they're in place now because barack obama supported them. he supported them because he recognized, as he said then, raising taxes when the economy is loudy is the wrong thing to do. he may not know it, but the economy is still lousy. you don't raise taxes now when the economy is lousy. >> to be continued,
. >> governor, it took three years for the best negotiator in the business, ronald reagan, to achieve tax reform back in 1986. three years. >> only took us seven months under bush one. we put together a package because the president led that. the president met with foley, the president met with mitchell, he went down to congress to meet with them. he met with them in the white house. i was involve in negotiations with them and saw a president show leadership to get a bipartisan...
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like in 1980, between ronald reagan and president carter. and lloyd benson's swipe at quail. >> jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> and then the moments that seemed to say more, like wh bush looking at his watch. and rick perry's oops remark. and romney's wager, and obama's comment to then-rival hilary. >> he's got two tough competing goals, to be likeable and layout a contrast. it's hard to be likeable when you are the attack dog. >> we have gotten to know barack obama, and there's not a lot of room on his canvas to point, and romney can still show us who he is and where he would lead us. >> the president spends the first part of the week in the battleground state of nevada where he will be doing prep, and mitt romney will be in colorado another swing state where he will practice with ohio senator, rob porter haorb, who is playin president obama. >>> and so what will they say? american voters will weigh their choice and the first of three presidential debates coming up this wednesday night, and can you wa
like in 1980, between ronald reagan and president carter. and lloyd benson's swipe at quail. >> jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> and then the moments that seemed to say more, like wh bush looking at his watch. and rick perry's oops remark. and romney's wager, and obama's comment to then-rival hilary. >> he's got two tough competing goals, to be likeable and layout a contrast. it's hard to be likeable when you are the attack dog. >>...
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every time we have done this whether it was ronald reagan working with tip o'neill. the ideas from the bowles simpson commission on how to do this. a traditional democratic republican consensus lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works and you can. >> chris: you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. let me say this this way. you can lower tax rates by 20% across the board by closing loopholes and still have preferences for the middle class for things like charitable deductions is or home purchases and healthcare. so what we are saying is people are going to get lower tax rates and therefore they will not send as much money to washington and they will keep it and decide for themselves. when we have done this we created economic growth. >> chris: suppose that the doubters are right and president romney takes office and the math doesn't add up. >> i have run them in congress and they do. >> chris: let's assume it doesn't. the question is what is most important to romney? kale bacscale back in
every time we have done this whether it was ronald reagan working with tip o'neill. the ideas from the bowles simpson commission on how to do this. a traditional democratic republican consensus lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works and you can. >> chris: you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. let me say this this way. you can lower tax rates by 20% across the board by closing loopholes and still...
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in 1980, they knew jimmy carter was going to look at ronald reagan and say, "you were against medicare" at the beginning, happened to be true. but reagan looked at him, shook his head and said, "there you go again." it was really a comment not just on that medicare answer but on everything that carter had said. that's when a zinger works. >> schieffer: what do you think the obama people think they're going to hear from romney? >> one thing that's being telegraphed by the romney folks -- and i wouldn't have telegraphed it if this was a question i wanted to ask-- do you want another four years like the last four years. the president has heard that-- >> that's a question people ask. >> i know, but ronald reagan was smart enough not to say are you better off today than you were four years ago until he got to the debate. the president knows that question is going to be asked and he will be prepared to answer it. five of the last six times an incumbent debated a challenger in a debate, the challenger won. >> that's the question they are asking. they know they are not better off from four yea
in 1980, they knew jimmy carter was going to look at ronald reagan and say, "you were against medicare" at the beginning, happened to be true. but reagan looked at him, shook his head and said, "there you go again." it was really a comment not just on that medicare answer but on everything that carter had said. that's when a zinger works. >> schieffer: what do you think the obama people think they're going to hear from romney? >> one thing that's being...
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challenge in 1980, ronald reagan's challenge was to convince people that the viewers out there, that he had the gravitas, the intellectual force to be president. he didn't have to convince them he was likable. that seems to be an easier challenge to achieve than for a mitt romney to come across to people as somebody they want to have in their living room for the next four years talking to them when that has been the challenge all along that people have not for one reason or another really warmed up to him. that's going to be hard to do in the course of a debate and also in the course of a debate where you simultaneously want to be likable but also to rattle your opponent a little bit. >> you have to be negative and irritating and try to get president obama off his game, but at the same time be likable coming on the heels of the 47% remark. >> that's a lot. a lot of work mitt romney has to do. president obama has some real work to do it too. he, as we've seen him throughout the democratic nomination fight, in his debates with hillary clinton, he lost a lot of those debates to her. a c
challenge in 1980, ronald reagan's challenge was to convince people that the viewers out there, that he had the gravitas, the intellectual force to be president. he didn't have to convince them he was likable. that seems to be an easier challenge to achieve than for a mitt romney to come across to people as somebody they want to have in their living room for the next four years talking to them when that has been the challenge all along that people have not for one reason or another really...
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so did ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan, 8% growth. >> we're not debating ronald reagan. we're debating obama. >> reagan had a far worse economy than obama inherited. he said he was inheriting it and he said -- but he hasn't fixed it. >> wow. >> stephanie: wow. really reaching now, aren't you? >> they love to revise the reagan and -- as media matters has pointed out there is no comparison in terms of the economy because the fed could just change interest rates which they did, which basically fixed that economy. you know, the fed can't do anymore when you're at zero, you can't go any lower. also, the unemployment completely different story. what hannity never mentions, if you go back to -- we're going way back here. if you're going back to the closing months of the carter/reagan campaign, unemployment was going down under the last six months under jimmy carter. ronald reagan won and it skyrocketed back up. ronald reagan did not inherit climbing unemployment the way barack obama did. ronald reagan actually inherited unemployment on its way down. he got into office and it di
so did ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan, 8% growth. >> we're not debating ronald reagan. we're debating obama. >> reagan had a far worse economy than obama inherited. he said he was inheriting it and he said -- but he hasn't fixed it. >> wow. >> stephanie: wow. really reaching now, aren't you? >> they love to revise the reagan and -- as media matters has pointed out there is no comparison in terms of the economy because the fed could just change interest rates...
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when you put machine up against ronald reagan. they will fail because it is ronald reagan. let mitt romney have his moment and applaud him and not try to tie him to the past but look to the future. >> why do people say you need that phrase and sentence in a debate that can be remembered for people going forward for the generation toz come. why do you have to have that pivotal moment. >> they are the game changer. whether the age issue with mondale there you go again . are you better off today than you are four years ago in great moments. different time and place that we are in than we were back in 1980 even though there are many similarities. society is different today than it was back in the 1980s. and so we have to change and understand it from that view point. >> let me ask you going forward, what are your expectations as mitt romney prepares for his next big face off with the president? >> he can't have a down moment. i think what happened we see it in the polls. you see the polls change things are getting closer and mitt romney is in the lead. people saw them for the f
when you put machine up against ronald reagan. they will fail because it is ronald reagan. let mitt romney have his moment and applaud him and not try to tie him to the past but look to the future. >> why do people say you need that phrase and sentence in a debate that can be remembered for people going forward for the generation toz come. why do you have to have that pivotal moment. >> they are the game changer. whether the age issue with mondale there you go again . are you better...
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what i do is the same way that tip o'neill and ronald reagan worked together some years ago. ronald reagan laid out the principles he was going to foster, lower tax rates, broaden the base, you said the same thing. you're going to simplify the tax code, broaden the base. those are my principles, i want to bring down the tax burden on middle income families. i'm going to work together with congress and say what are the various ways we can bring down deductions? one way is to have a single number. make up a number, $25,000, $50,000, anybody can have deductions up to that amount. and then the deductions disappear after that you could follow bowles-simpson and do it deduction by deduction. and make differences that way. there are alternatives to accomplish the objectives i have. we need to bring down rates, broaden the base, simplify the code and create incentives for growth. with regard to health care, you had remarkable details with regard to my pre-existing condition plan. you obviously studied up on my plan. i do deal with people with preexisting conditions, that's part of my
what i do is the same way that tip o'neill and ronald reagan worked together some years ago. ronald reagan laid out the principles he was going to foster, lower tax rates, broaden the base, you said the same thing. you're going to simplify the tax code, broaden the base. those are my principles, i want to bring down the tax burden on middle income families. i'm going to work together with congress and say what are the various ways we can bring down deductions? one way is to have a single...
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. >> i would be tempted to go back to that wonderful by ronald reagan, there you go again. >> how much you want to bet, it doesn't work? >> $10,000 bet? >> in ohio, they are sleeping overnight at polling places. we'll go live to cleveland where nina turner is camping out for early voting. >>> and house majority leader eric cantor is fighting for his political life in his own district. wayne powell will join me live following tonight's big debate. >>> good evening, americans. good to have you with us. republicans are hoping for a game changer in the next few days, but romney's path to victory is starting to disappear. president obama is ahead in all of the vital swing states needed for victory. if the election were held today an associated press analysis shows president obama would win at least 271 electoral votes. 270 votes wins the presidency. the romney campaign is struggling, to say the least. romney's own running mate was forced to admit how their campaign has stumbled. >> so, yeah, we have had some missteps, but at the end of the day, the choice is really clear. we're giving peopl
. >> i would be tempted to go back to that wonderful by ronald reagan, there you go again. >> how much you want to bet, it doesn't work? >> $10,000 bet? >> in ohio, they are sleeping overnight at polling places. we'll go live to cleveland where nina turner is camping out for early voting. >>> and house majority leader eric cantor is fighting for his political life in his own district. wayne powell will join me live following tonight's big debate. >>>...
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when ronald reagan ran for office, he laid out the principles that he was my to foster. he said he was going to lower tax rates. he said he was going to broaden the base. you said the same thing, you are going to simplify the tax code and broaden the base. those are my principles. i'm going to work together with congress is to say, ok, what are the various ways we could bring down deductions, for instance? one way, for instance, would be to have a single number. make up a number. $50,000. anybody can have deductions up to that amount. one could follow bowles-simpson as a model and take deduction by deduction and make differences that way. there are alternatives to accomplish the objective i have, which is to bring down rates, broaden the base, simplify the code, and create incentives for growth. with regards to health care, you had remarkable details with a request to my pre-existing condition plan. you obviously studied up on my plan. in fact, i do have a plan that deals with people with pre- existing conditions. and what we did in massachusetts is a model for the natio
when ronald reagan ran for office, he laid out the principles that he was my to foster. he said he was going to lower tax rates. he said he was going to broaden the base. you said the same thing, you are going to simplify the tax code and broaden the base. those are my principles. i'm going to work together with congress is to say, ok, what are the various ways we could bring down deductions, for instance? one way, for instance, would be to have a single number. make up a number. $50,000....
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ronald reagan in 1984 lost his train of thought if his first statement. gwen: on the pacific coast highway. >> right. and it gave rise to questions as -- if he was too old. this was a case that i thought from start to finish governor romney was the dominant character in the debate. he was much more forceful so in that sense its it was a much more decisive case of somebody winning and somebody losing. >> there wasn't that single moment that memorable you're no jack kennedy kind of putdown. it was very strong substantive. in fact, the president said this was a terrific debate. he might not have thought that later whether he got to reviews. >> if you look at romney's opening statements, he touched all the things he needed to. he talked about voters in ohio and nevada. i feel your pain. gwen: told stories. >> told stories. he did the five things he's running on. he talked about the president's past. respectfully said it wasn't going in the right direction. then 0 minutes later after a good cut and thrust between the two of them he delivered a near-flawless cl
ronald reagan in 1984 lost his train of thought if his first statement. gwen: on the pacific coast highway. >> right. and it gave rise to questions as -- if he was too old. this was a case that i thought from start to finish governor romney was the dominant character in the debate. he was much more forceful so in that sense its it was a much more decisive case of somebody winning and somebody losing. >> there wasn't that single moment that memorable you're no jack kennedy kind of...
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. >> ronald reagan. ronald reagan. >> rose: in the 84 campaign. >> right, right. >> one point on the president correcting, i kind of agree we'll probably lead that internally but boy oh boy, the pressure on joe biden and paul ryan because that debate, the stakes are higher across the board. both biden and ryan are probably doubling their debate prep time now. >> can i disagree. >> rose: yes. >> can i disagree with my good friend mike murphy on that. you know mike you were just a kid i know but in 1988, there was a really much claimed vice presidential debate, lloyd benson and dan quayle. lloyd benson cleaned up the room, one of the great lines in the history of debates and it didn't move the needle one iota. i don't think vice presidential debates will be fun to watch or great for us in the press, i don't think it matters. >> rose: go ahead. >> i was going to say there are a couple sort of issues where there could have been more illumination in terms of flushing thing out on the healthcare debate where m
. >> ronald reagan. ronald reagan. >> rose: in the 84 campaign. >> right, right. >> one point on the president correcting, i kind of agree we'll probably lead that internally but boy oh boy, the pressure on joe biden and paul ryan because that debate, the stakes are higher across the board. both biden and ryan are probably doubling their debate prep time now. >> can i disagree. >> rose: yes. >> can i disagree with my good friend mike murphy on that. you...